tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.comments2021-11-02T06:30:55.806-07:00Truths, Authority and FactoidsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-30865853188093041842015-09-07T10:32:55.421-07:002015-09-07T10:32:55.421-07:00If the money spent on these "registries"...If the money spent on these "registries" was used instead for proactive counseling services made available to people having issues, before and after convictions, there would be a measurable drop in these crimes, suicides and murders of others strictly because of the sex offender registry being a lifetime requirement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-7733394980575120232015-08-26T12:53:48.433-07:002015-08-26T12:53:48.433-07:00eAdvocate,
No worries, but I think that this mean...eAdvocate,<br /><br />No worries, but I think that this means that it's as problematic as Prof Ellman makes it out to be. I've also read the Psych Today article and it doesn't have any citations for the 80% remark. As we talked about earlier, it may very well be the 1983 study he did, but generalizing the recidivism rates of incarcerated sex offenders (especially those in the Connecticut sample, who were housed in a facility especially for sex offenders) to sex offenders as a whole is just as problematic (if not more so) than just stating that the recidivism rates are high with no support. <br /><br />That's just my .02, though. Appreciate all you do in keeping these sites running.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299790882594669766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-10065413676400204842015-08-26T12:19:48.955-07:002015-08-26T12:19:48.955-07:00To Unkknown, I can see this is going to really con...To Unkknown, I can see this is going to really confuse things. Freeman-Longo appears on 8 pages, if I've counted right. Right now I think it best if I make a table of those places. Then decide how to resolve this. As to the recidivism study by Longo (2 others) that is Freeman-Longo, both are the same person. Further, there is a difference in the Preface wording of his comment and where it appears elsewhere. I'll note that in the Table as well.<br /><br />Thanks for your eagle eyes, I do appreciate getting this technically correct. For now, eAdvocateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-46062611707879245702015-08-26T08:23:41.421-07:002015-08-26T08:23:41.421-07:00eAdvocate,
Look on page 57 of the pdf, 44 of the ...eAdvocate,<br /><br />Look on page 57 of the pdf, 44 of the TPG. Middle of the page:<br /><br />"With these inherent problems, one might be tempted to completely abandon the idea of treating the sex offender. However, Freeman-Longo (1986) states that 80% of untreated incarcerated sex offenders recidivate..."<br /><br />Then look on page 62 of the pdf, 49 of the TPG, right column:<br /><br />"Freeman-Longo, R. (1986, March). Changing a lifetime of sexual crime. <i>Psychology Today</i>, 58-64."<br /><br />The 80% stat is mentioned in the body of the TPG, and it is cited to the Psych today article. The confusion may arise partially from (I'm assuming), Longo's marriage and subsequent name change. My research doesn't indicate that there are two distinct experts in the field of sex offender treatment, one named Robert E. Longo and the other Robert E. Freeman-Longo, so I'm assuming between 83 (the date of the study) and 86 he got married. <br /><br />So the 80% stat is, in fact, sourced to the Psych Today article in the TPG. It may very well be that then-Freeman-Longo's support for that stat came from the 83 study, but we'd have to look at the Psych Today article to be sure.<br /><br />Also, thanks for pointing out the study. I would like to read it's full text still, but the snippets you have, again, should be troubling for wider generalization. Well over half of the sample are <i>known</i> recidivists (i.e., have multiple criminal convictions for sexual offenses). That alone makes the study not applicable to talking about recidivism amongst the general population of sex offenders. <br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299790882594669766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-56910943392594249972015-08-26T07:58:19.019-07:002015-08-26T07:58:19.019-07:00To Unknown, there is no mention of the Psych Arti...To Unknown, there is no mention of the Psych Article within the TPG or anywhere in the McKune decision. That article is the result of the research by the Essay Authors, and plays no part in the decision. Consider this, if Essay Authors first kick-out the TPG from their argument, then they need a source for the comment, hence bringing in the Psych Article. Although guessing,I do believe Essay Authors have some law student doing the research and they failed to look inside the TPG.<br /><br />The Longo paper is in my blog, and I've copied into blog, the tables which show recidivism rates. see Here<br />http://truths-authority-factoids.blogspot.com/2015/08/undetected-recidivism-among-rapists-and.html<br /><br />Recidivism in the Longo paper means, first offense as a juvenile then there are 1-or-more offenses as an adult. Study Tables I inserted in above link.<br /><br />eAdvocateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-33767377113070756862015-08-26T06:53:40.504-07:002015-08-26T06:53:40.504-07:00My read of the TPG is that the 80% recidivism rate...My read of the TPG is that the 80% recidivism rate, is cited to the Psych Today article, while the study is cited to support the notion that recidivism amongst child molesters and rapists often goes undetected. <br /><br />The 80% remark in McKune is attributed to the TPG, which then does only technically cite the psych today article for that proposition, if I'm reading it correctly.<br /><br />As far as the study itself is concerned, I could only access an abstract, but even that should give people cause for concern as far as using the 80% stat from that study to generalize to sex offenders as a whole. From the abstract:<br /><br />"The results indicate that the majority of the offenders had been convicted more than once for a sexual assault. Furthermore, on average, they admitted to having committed two to five times as many sex crimes for which they were not apprehended. "<br /><br />First off, the population is incarcerated rapists and child molesters. Secondly, the "majority" of them have multiple convictions for sexual offenses. Thirdly, self-report measures in this context are notorious (see the Butner study, for example), though I'd be interested in knowing more about how anonymous they truly were. <br /><br />Even assuming that the results are accurate, you're dealing with a sub-population of violent and/or contact sex offenders who have been <i>proven</i> to be driven to re-offend by reconviction data. Generalizing those results to sex offenders as a whole is, in my opinion, just as bad if not worse than no support for the notion at all.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14299790882594669766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-10863719452842548102015-08-25T06:28:02.148-07:002015-08-25T06:28:02.148-07:00Cases are won and lost based on arguments of the l...Cases are won and lost based on arguments of the lawyers presenting case, and the authority they submit. First it must be remembered that Ted Olson -by law- must support the position of the government, it is his job at the time.<br /><br />A major problem as I see it is, in cases no one seems to argue "their is no proof that the opposition's authority is relevant TODAY, at the point a case is argued." and part of that problem is how long it takes for cases to come up through the courts; a systemic problem of our judicial system.<br /><br />Looking at what the earlier comment all "Olson's references (cites)" are from the authority he cited. And whether or not it is his personal belief, it is then up to the opposition's lawyer to be more convincing using better authority.<br /><br />Sex offenders often take a hit because -at the time that case came up- there wasn't strong authority to oppose Olson's authority; that is why I believe the offender's lawyers needed to attack the authority as being "too aged" and therefore unreliable. This happens all too often.<br /><br />Even when McKune was coming up through the courts, the Department of Justice was preparing the NEWER recidivism statistics which weren't released until November 2003. Lawyers preparing cases need to include -as authority- what is -in progress- which may affect the case. And that may not be good if authority coming goes against the plaintiff's interest.<br /><br />How to resolve this? Limit age of authority presented? Any other ideas?<br /><br />eAdvocateAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-8191561330461952962015-08-24T03:54:15.824-07:002015-08-24T03:54:15.824-07:00There is no doubt that inaccurate statistics had t...There is no doubt that inaccurate statistics had the most significant impact on the reversal of the appeals court by the US Supreme as these stats were the foundation of argument for the registry. Statistics were used without any distinction as you describe above.<br />June 2002 BRIEF FOR THE UNITED STATES - <br />1. Legal Framework<br />a. Sex offenders exact a uniquely severe and unremitting<br />toll on the Nation and its citizens for three basic reasons:<br />“[t]hey are the least likely to be cured”; “[t]hey are the most<br />likely to reoffend”; and “[t]hey prey on the most innocent<br />members of our society.” United States Dep’t of Justice, Bureau<br />of Justice Statistics (BJS), National Conf. on Sex<br />Offender Registries (National Conf.) 93 (Apr. 1998). <br /><br />The judgment of the court of appeals should be reversed.<br />Respectfully submitted. THEODORE B. OLSONAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-2981477678405308132014-03-05T09:18:06.267-08:002014-03-05T09:18:06.267-08:00With today's high speed computers there is no ...With today's high speed computers there is no reason to delay any study involving statistics for more than a year after collecting the data. To hold back data because it violates current common ideas is a crime against all of us who are under restrictions because of the lie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-34359169134493363162013-10-22T14:31:00.562-07:002013-10-22T14:31:00.562-07:00FACT: There is NOT! and never has been 100,000 mis...FACT: There is NOT! and never has been 100,000 missing sex offenders it was a ruse, propaganda, false information, misinformation, a lie and nothing more than a man made intended myth.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-88695396652425919352013-02-05T05:41:14.377-08:002013-02-05T05:41:14.377-08:00I have been the victim of harassment not only by t...I have been the victim of harassment not only by the general public but by law enforcement as well. My conviction was in 1989 for a minor charge in Florida. For the first 10 years I was able to get on with my life with relative normalcy. I moved from Florida to Pennsylvania in 1990 because I saw how the legal system in Florida was biased against anyone with a sex offense. My conviction was a conspiracy involving the police, state attorneys office, and even my legal council. I was completely taken advantage of by the Florida legal system just so they could have another feather in their cap.<br /> In 2002, I was required to register under Megan's Law in Pennsylvania. It had been 13 years since my conviction in Florida and had not been in any trouble with the law at all. I was classified as a Tier I offender with a 10 year registration. I was supposed to have been released from the Megan's law registration requirements in 2013. Pennsylvania enacted the Adam Walsh Act on Dec. 20, 2012 and re-classified all offenders. After 24 years of being a good citizen, not being in any trouble with the law; I am now classified as a Tier III sexually violent offender with a lifetime registration. I can't believe what has just happened; how can I go from a Tier I offender to a Tier III offender over-night without committing any other crimes whatsoever? This has added more stress and complications to my already screwed up life thanks to these crazy laws that they keep coming up with. Now, people that have known me for years are wondering what the heck is going on with me. The average person doesn't follow the laws that are passed unless they are affected by them. Passing the Adam Walsh Act has effectively made me a prisoner in my own home. I am now afraid to even go to church because I am now very vulnerable to false accusations, harassment, and public humiliation. I could go on and on but the main point I want to get across is that these laws have made it extremely difficult to keep on going. There are days that I pray that God take me out of this screwed up world. If I were not a Christian man, I would have killed myself but I know that only God has the right to take me when he is ready. I made some poor choices in my past and I wish that I could go back and change things but I can't. All I can do is move forward and do the best I can each day as I have done. I am all about public safety and protecting our children but I think that these laws and the stigma that is put on all sex offenders has gone way too far.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-11232169661687378252013-01-23T06:45:29.336-08:002013-01-23T06:45:29.336-08:00i will give u a quick tip..move out of the south, ...i will give u a quick tip..move out of the south, where hatred towards ex offenders runs rampant. Not only sex offenders, but basically any type of felon. The confederate states, if u remember were the ones that used to hang the slaves and were pro-slavery. This vengeful mentality is still carried out today. If u move to the union states, u WILL notice a more relaxed and acceptable mentality when dealing with all types of felons. Sure u may be turned down for a job, or denied housing, but thats basically the same for all felons. U will not see the protests in SOs' yards and their work etc. Im telling u...move north!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-546315733532615532012-09-17T11:59:17.720-07:002012-09-17T11:59:17.720-07:00Thank you for breaking down those enlightening fac...Thank you for breaking down those enlightening facts and figures for folks. You might want to remind how many people our government currently requires registration for and what that costs the taxpayers approximately on a yearly basis. It appears that there is a lot of hype being spread and fear into communities unnecessarily. I can't even imagine the cost of all of that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-26691287857266510912012-09-12T17:30:22.148-07:002012-09-12T17:30:22.148-07:00So I thought that sex offender laws were not punit...So I thought that sex offender laws were not punitive. Well it's time to act fast before people start losing their children. <br /><br />In Trop v. Dulles, 356 U.S. 86, 78 S. Ct. 590, 2 L. Ed. 2d 630 (1958), the U.S. Supreme Court held that the use of denationalization (the deprivation of citizenship) as a punishment is barred by the Eighth Amendment. The Court reasoned that when someone is denationalized, "[t]here may be involved no physical mistreatment, no primitive torture. There is instead the total destruction of the individual's status in organized society.DueProcessIsDue@hotmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12619989348781473271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-59078139250246320062012-08-21T06:40:39.504-07:002012-08-21T06:40:39.504-07:00District 8, Bill Pascrell Jr does accept messages ...District 8, Bill Pascrell Jr does accept messages :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-77461347934326484032012-08-15T17:42:41.351-07:002012-08-15T17:42:41.351-07:00That is an awesome report. I'll have to add th...That is an awesome report. I'll have to add this to the front page of my website. <br /><br />Of interesting note is a number of the list of notable cases in the text of the AWA were not committed by someone on the list.oncefallendotcomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05733412801937751739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-80856993250978248412012-07-13T15:23:32.699-07:002012-07-13T15:23:32.699-07:00I have noticed that on most of their Facebook page...I have noticed that on most of their Facebook pages, you can only comment on items they have posted about, and you cannot send them a message on Facebook either.<br /><br />By them doing so, they are basically silencing everyone pretty much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-62366311565322520172012-06-24T09:10:12.433-07:002012-06-24T09:10:12.433-07:00Let's not forget the ones who had enough remor...Let's not forget the ones who had enough remorse, but were "stupid" enough to turn themselves in and now society won't let them forget it--ever! Is that how we treat people who <i>WANT</i> to be better people?<br /><br />At this rate, the only dangerous people running around will NOT be on the registry. Why can't anyone see that?<br /><br />I think those registries unfairly punish the very people who want to be good people and the registries cannot possibly protect you from the more deviant people who strive to remain hidden and off the lists. <br /><br />There just is no way to protect yourself from a possible future offender, by making people with past mistakes register. Crazy waste of time, money--not to mention taxes that could have been collected from those who now can't find jobs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-56558367999664045242012-06-18T11:50:19.524-07:002012-06-18T11:50:19.524-07:00The tier system in Michigan means nothing. I was e...The tier system in Michigan means nothing. I was evaluated as "low risk" by one of the most prominent psychologists in my area using the MMPI-2, Static-99, and Wilson Sexual Fantasy Inventory. The conclusion BEFORE starting the therapy program was "low risk", the same conclusion was reached after the therapy program. Yet, on Michigan's Adam Walsh Act parrot, I am listed as Tier 2, or medium risk. <br /><br />None of this will change until the Supreme Court grows a pair, calls a spade a spade, and rules that registry law, as it stands today, is clearly punitive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-48017231317343565822012-06-15T10:59:52.360-07:002012-06-15T10:59:52.360-07:00This is a great article and SO true. I know severa...This is a great article and SO true. I know several sex offenders in my own family-probably about half who are or have been guilty of a sex crime but who were simply not convicted or charged. They are teachers-t-ball coaches and even nurses! Again great article. Kudos for publishing it as it proves-yet again what an expensive and complete failure the registry really is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-77853201316713727122012-06-15T08:26:06.100-07:002012-06-15T08:26:06.100-07:00The AWA also prevents families from being together...The AWA also prevents families from being together. The USCIS (immigration) is mandated to refuse visa requests for a foreign spouse unless the petitioner can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they are NO danger to their spouse. The bar is set extremely high. How does one prove an intangible?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-21471613046090066932012-06-13T00:12:06.892-07:002012-06-13T00:12:06.892-07:00ShellyStow, I couldn't have said it better. Th...ShellyStow, I couldn't have said it better. These vigilantes are every bit as despicable as were the KKK lynch mobs. My son is one of those falsely accused & wrongly convicted. Every day of our lives since the day he was accused has been a living hell. First, it is way too easy to become a convicted sex offender. The burden of proof should be as high as for any other crime that carries a "life sentence". Once convicted, nothing the offender does to redeem himself will ever be enough, and the imposed roadblocks seem designed to prevent them from trying. It's as if lawmakers are determined to destroy us by degrees, or make us wish we were dead. The devastation to families is apparently acceptable collateral damage. There has to be some intelligent balance if the true intent of all this is protecting the innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6790046968526210371.post-27570476135409588912012-06-12T06:14:47.714-07:002012-06-12T06:14:47.714-07:00It is beyond time for the public registry to be re...It is beyond time for the public registry to be revamped. Too many have been murdered, maimed, and persecuted due to it. The chances are high that some of those were falsely accused and wrongly convicted. Some were definitely guilty of nothing but having sex at 18 with a 16 year old. Some killed were not even the person on the registry but victims of mistaken identity. After all, when you put that kind of information out for general consumption, you have to know that many who look at it have shoe sizes larger than their I.Q.'s.<br />There need to be a few wrongful death suits brought by families and a few suits brought by those who refuse to register and draw a target on their own heads.ShellyStowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01898245528183300658noreply@blogger.com